on the positives with george bush being president, but i'm getting old. >> i don't remember either. >> the economy's 2%, and even if you want to paint it, it would take us eight or nine years to be back to the employment weather during the highs of the last administration. to get to 4%, it takes that long to get all the jobs back. people can't wait that long. >> if it never moves from this level -- kneeling kneel it's been -- neil: it's been a long time. i mean, we shouldn't -- averaging it out, and if this is the new normal, you know, less than normal, and this is as good as it gets, maybe for good awhile as it gets, i can understand why companies sort of, you know, pull their horns in. >> yeah, the new normal, neil, let's celebrate mediocrity. in the united states? neil: care. , i built a college career on that. >> so did i. that gets you through, but i want more of what adam is smoking in california, neil. he's talking about housing should recover, banks should legend. those are hopey things we can't count on to grow the economy. we need real numbers out there, which as we noted are not there.